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Pod Special. It's Dave O. Here with a new installment of our Pod Special series presented by our

friends at Camarena Tequila, who are supporting this collection of extended conversations with some

of the biggest guests in the Men and Blazers universe. Today's guest, a hip hop legend and poet

of our times, Rizza, you'll know him as the man at the tip of that Wu Tang phalanx that set new

milestones for the genre of hip hop and the music industry at large in the 90s. But since then,

Rizza's approach to creativity has taken him beyond music into writing and directing films,

acting and something he shares with Roger, a love of chess. This conversation is about that creative

transformation and is one of my favourites of the last year. So here it is, and Men and Blazers

Pod Special with Rizza presented by Camarena Tequila.

My guest today, Rizza from Staten Island, Shaolin, to define himself as the producer and mastermind

of the Wu Tang clan, one of the rawest most creative influential hip hop ensembles of all time.

He's proceeded to become a filmmaker, actor, writer, philosopher, chess master, man of many names,

and he's now the star of nobody along with Bobboudon Kirk. Welcome to the Eric Canton Ave, hip hop.

Rizza.

In the building, Wu Tang forever. Wow, wow, thanks for inviting me to the fan of the show,

so happy to be here dancing with you. Not dancing, but literally dancing.

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