Welcome to Breaking Down Patriarchy. I'm Amy McPhee Allabest. A little while ago, one of my listeners messaged me to ask, why are you having so many men on the podcast? I thought this was about telling women's stories. I understood her concern. Sometimes women really do need our own spaces to tell our stories and to feel understood and validated.

But that's not this podcast. Breaking Down Patriarchy is a project for everyone, all listeners

and viewers of every gender, age, race, physical ability, social situation, religion.

All people have something to learn here, and all people

have to be involved to break down patriarchy and other unjust harmful systems. We need

everybody. And in some ways, you know what? We especially need men. There are still, sadly,

many environments where women are either still not invited

or where our voices are still not heard or heated. We need men's allyship and involvement in

breaking down patriarchy because men have access to levers of power that women still don't have.

So I am extremely grateful to men who are engaging in this work side by side with us

and leading the way in educating other men, reaching men's hearts and minds in ways that perhaps women still cannot.

And one of these men who is doing the work is Dr. Michael Kaufman,

who joined us for Season 4 of Breaking Down Patriarchy,

and I am so excited to have him back. Welcome, Michael.

I'm really pleased to be with you once again.

Michael Kaufman, PhD is an advisor, educator, activist, and writer

focused on engaging men to promote

women's rights, end gender-based violence, and positively transform men's lives. He's worked in

50 countries with United Nations, governments, unions, companies, universities, and NGOs.

He's been named one of the hundred most influential people on gender

policies in the world. And today we'll be discussing issues that he raises in his book,

Men and the Gender Equality Revolution, essays, articles, manifestos, and rants from 40 years of scholarship

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