Thank you for listening to the Allender Center podcast.

I'm Dr. Dan Allender.

And I'm Rachel Clinton-Centen.

We're fiercely committed to providing hope and healing to a fragmented world.

And restoration for the heart.

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Let's get this conversation started.

Thank you for joining us. Let's get this conversation started. We are going to step into the somewhat controversial issue of memory and story, and all the issues that rise with,

well, why am I supposed to remember? And what if I don't? But to do so, I get the great privilege

of working with my co-author of a book called Redeeming Heartache, colleague and dear friend,

Kathy Lursell. Hi, Kathy. Hi, Dan. Thanks for having me. Oh, what a pleasure to be able to do this

with you. So first, let's just talk about your lovely memories. How are they?

Flawed.

Flawed. That's a very kind description of the universality of none of us have what could be called complete, accurate,

and undisputably true memories. So let's talk memory first. Why should we even be talking about memory? Okay. Well, I think the thing about

memory and even more so the idea of story, our memories are our stories. And there's no story that we tell that isn't from our

vantage point. Every story, every experience that we have is, is going to be different. So like,

you know, my husband and I could be sitting at the same dinner table,

having the same exact conversation and our quote unquote memories of that time are going to be different because we're different human beings with different experiences with different stories.

And so the way that we're picking up on what's happening or the things that stand out to us

are just are different, different right and and that's

and that's lovely and so but but but the thing is that as we grow up as we experience life our

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