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The Bulwark Podcast

Melissa Murray and John Avlon: The Dark Legal Clouds Ahead

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.6 • 8.9K Ratings

🗓️ 16 January 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Pam Bondi is likely to sail to confirmation—even if she's an election denier and pretends she was born yesterday—because she meets the simple qualifications of being a lawyer and former prosecutor, and because she's not a frat paddle come to life i.e. Matt Gaetz. But the fact that she wasn't able to clearly state that the U.S. is her client, not Donald Trump, is a giant red flag. Ditto for his personal lawyers also coming on board. Plus, the ominous removal of Mike Turner from the House intelligence committee, how Biden's farewell address stacked up, and what the locked-up shampoo bottles at CVS say about blue-state governance.

Melissa Murray and John Avlon join Tim. 
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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Bullard podcast.

0:09.7

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

0:11.2

We've got a double today.

0:12.1

We've got a bonus segment and segment two with John Avlon.

0:14.6

He's got a new podcast with us.

0:16.0

So stick around for that.

0:17.2

But first, she's a law professor at NYU, co-host of strict scrutiny, and a contributor

0:24.0

on MSNBC, occasionally across from me. It's Melissa Murray. How you doing? Hi. Thanks for

0:28.6

having me. First time. Welcome to the Bullard podcast. There's a hazing ritual. Long-time listener,

0:33.9

first-time caller. Thank you for having me. We have to start with Pam Bondi, though.

0:38.3

Somebody that's been kind of a watcher of her and of, you know, the mega legal world.

0:43.7

I just was wondering just your broadest thoughts on her nomination as Attorney General.

0:48.3

Well, so I watched the confirmation hearing yesterday.

0:51.5

And I think from the start, it was pretty evident that unless Pam Bondi did

0:56.2

something extreme, like, you know, literally sort of doing cartwheels on the table, she's going to be

1:01.8

the next attorney general. And so I think you have to consider her nomination in the context

1:07.5

of everything that came before it and that is happening alongside it.

1:11.7

So, you know, the zone has been flooded with a lot of stuff.

1:15.5

And I think the mere fact that Pam Bondi isn't a frat paddle turned into a real live boy

1:22.0

makes her in this context a credible candidate to be attorney general.

1:27.1

I think in more normal times,

1:30.4

there are aspects of her resume that I think might raise some questions, which is not to say

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