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The following recording may contain explicit language. I can't get more explicit than may.

Let's just say it may.

It's Friday, October 18th, 2019 from slate. It's the Giesti Mike Pesca.

Gordon Sunderland, I like saying that name, doesn't sound American.

Gordon Sunderland testified before Congress today. He was America is America's ambassador to the EU.

And he provided before his testimony a transcript of what he was going to say.

So we know what he said. He blamed Rudy, but noted that he did not initially realize,

or I'm going to say likely couldn't grasp exactly what Rudy was up to.

Quote, I did not understand until much later that Mr. Giuliani's agenda might have also included

an effort to prompt the Ukrainians to investigate vice president Biden or his son

or to involve the Ukrainians directly or indirectly in the president's 2020 reelection campaign.

He also cited for his mentorship, Mike Pompeo quote,

my work was consistent with longstanding US foreign policy objectives.

Indeed, very recently, Secretary Pompeo sent me a congratulatory note that was doing great work.

These are his words. And he encouraged me to keep banging away.

Lovely. I think Ambassador Sunderland was worried that the banging might soon become more like a

clanging as in cell doors. So he decided to come clean. Well, as clean as he could, given that by

his own word, he was tasked by the job of advancing administration objectives and those objectives.

We know now include pressuring the Ukrainians to investigate American politicians.

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