Hello and welcome to iWay with Jameela Jamil, the podcast where we all learn together.

I am so excited and ready for today's conversation and it is with someone who I love so much and who

I respect so much who I've learned so much from over the last maybe four or five years. Her name

is Megan Jane Crab and some of you will know her better as body posse panda and she became a kind of

very big one of the first big breakthrough voices for body positivity and talking about disability

and talking about race and she was immediately a very kind of self and welcoming space online

for people who wanted to fight back against diaculture and general bigotry. Now over the past few

years because of the work that she's chosen to do regarding social justice it has meant that people

have put her on a pedestal and this happens to so many if not all people who try to speak out

against injustice when they see it and she's young she's no she's no proclaimed expert on anything

she has written an excellent book and she is an amazing speaker but she was kind of given

the treatment of a saint in that that's the level of perfection people have started to

expect from her and I think we're all now familiar with that feeling and with having seen that

happened to maybe people that we know or people that we follow I've certainly experienced that I

started talking about eating disorders years ago and suddenly everyone expects me to be an

expert on everything and we kind of get into that culture not just about you know us mowning about

how we're under too much pressure but more importantly what our general culture has become like

who participates in it where is it actually going do we have a plan to change the things and

the institutions that are actually hurting us or are we just nitpicking individuals and then

never taking our quote unquote activism further than that and so it's an incredibly honest and

emotional chat between two people who've supported each other kind of over DM for years and really

like each other but only met once for about a second and this is our first time ever really

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