This is Sarah Stewart Holland. This is Beth Silver's. You're listening to Pantsu Politics, where we take a different approach to the news. Thank you so much for joining us today. I don't know about you. But it feels like most of this year,

I've had so many conversations about scams showing up in our email, text messages,

phone calls,

scammers are getting more sophisticated

and they are setting us up in all kinds of ways

where sometimes you feel like,

I am walking down this path

and thank goodness someone stopped me and said you're being

fooled along this path.

So we're in a new era of scamming and we wanted to have someone help us think about that.

We are delighted to welcome Megan Garber back to the show. Megan is a staff writer at the Atlantic

and has a new show called How to Know What's Real, which seems relevant.

The perfect person to talk to us about the proliferation of scams.

And Megan stuck around with us for outside of politics

to discuss survivor and reality shows and whether they're entering a new era as well.

Before we share that conversation we wanted to remind you that we will be at Edge Hill United Methodist

Church in Nashville on Sunday, September 8th.

Y'all, we're actually giving the sermon.

I'm a little excited about that.

And that we're staying afterwards for a book conversation

about our first book. So if you are in that area and would like to join us there is

more information in the show notes and we are also looking forward to the presidential

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