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Meet the hackers trying to make AI go rogue

Post Reports

The Washington Post

Daily News, Politics, News

4.45.1K Ratings

🗓️ 10 August 2023

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

Chatbots can be biased, deceptive or even dangerous. Today on “Post Reports,” we meet the hackers who are competing to figure out exactly how AI can go awry. 


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Will Oremus reports on technology for The Post, and recently that has meant writing a lot about AI and all the ways it could go wrong. 


“Even the people who make this stuff, the creators of these technologies, are also out there warning, hey, this could be really bad,” Will says. “This could go wrong in very disturbing ways.”


The range of potential harms is vast. And today, we meet the hackers trying to make chatbots go haywire. In what organizers billed as the first public “red teaming” event for artificial intelligence language models, we see a preview of Def Con, the annual hacker convention in Las Vegas – and we learn more about AI’s pitfalls.

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0:00.0

Today, we're going to talk about something that I admit I've been avoiding, generative AI.

0:09.2

So will, I'm sorry, I'm just going to preface this by telling you, I know nothing about this

0:13.4

subject, I fear it immensely, I'm expecting I'm going to be replaced somehow by all this

0:19.3

stuff, so I've been ignoring it.

0:21.1

But generative AI has taken the world by storm this year.

0:24.4

It certainly has its fans, but tell me something.

0:28.0

What are the critics saying about it?

0:30.3

Even the people who make this stuff, the creators of these technologies, are also out there

0:34.5

warning, hey, this could be really bad, this could go wrong in very disturbing ways.

0:40.5

And the range of harms, potential harms is extremely wide.

0:45.2

Will Aureumus is a tech reporter for the post.

0:48.3

Given all the fear and speculation about the power and unknowns of generative AI, he wanted

0:54.0

to know how can we protect ourselves and harness it for good.

0:58.2

There are a lot of different approaches to try to make this technology safer, but one

1:02.2

of them is just to go in and actually try to make it go haywire.

1:06.9

See if you can make it go rogue and see what's possible.

1:10.7

And this weekend, people will do just that at the world's largest annual hacker convention

1:16.0

in Las Vegas.

1:17.0

It's called Defcon.

1:19.7

There will be an event that has been backed by the White House that has all the major

1:24.5

AI companies participating, and it will be a public contest where hackers can sign up to

1:32.1

try to make AI chatbots go wrong.

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