Meet One Engineer Fixing A Racially Biased Medical Device
Short Wave
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🗓️ 13 February 2023
⏱️ 14 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to shortwave from NPR. |
| 0:05.5 | It was 2020 at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic when Kimani Tussant first heard about |
| 0:12.5 | the problems with pulse oximeters. |
| 0:15.3 | We're all watching the news and finding out what was going on with this before any vaccines. |
| 0:19.6 | Sick patients were showing up at the hospital with dangerously low blood oxygen saturation |
| 0:24.8 | levels. |
| 0:25.8 | Healthcare workers were relying more and more on a device called a pulse oximeter to monitor |
| 0:30.8 | their condition and to determine how much extra oxygen to give them. |
| 0:34.9 | But doctors at the University of Michigan Hospital noticed something was wrong. |
| 0:39.4 | The device, which uses light to shine through a fingertip, wasn't recognizing low oxygen |
| 0:44.2 | levels in patients with darker skin tones. |
| 0:47.2 | The Michigan doctors published their study in the New England Journal of Medicine in December |
| 0:51.2 | 2020, and it sent shockwaves through the medical world. |
| 0:55.4 | From Kimani, who is a professor in the School of Engineering at Brown University, heard |
| 1:00.0 | about it from his wife, Diana Grigsby Tussant, an epidemiologist at Brown. |
| 1:04.7 | She actually knew before the Michigan study about the concerns with pulse oximeters. |
| 1:08.7 | I said to him, you know, it's highly relevant. |
| 1:11.3 | You're an engineer and this is something you should go and look into in terms of why this |
| 1:16.1 | is the case. |
| 1:17.2 | What was fascinating and surprising and disturbing was that this problem had been documented |
| 1:24.2 | much earlier than the pandemic, the COVID pandemic. |
| 1:29.7 | But even myself, I'm being an optics. |
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