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Medium Rare: What’s Next For Meat?

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4.7583 Ratings

🗓️ 12 June 2026

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Industrial agriculture accounts for a significant share of global emissions, but meat alternatives face real hurdles in becoming a mainstay of consumer diets. The hype around plant-based meat has cooled: hurt by price gaps, ultra-processed rhetoric, and culture-war politics around masculinity and food identity. Yet feeding a growing planet will require eating less beef, wasting less food, and producing more food with less land. Cultivated meat – made from animal cells and grown in a lab –  could offer a different path forward, especially in hybrid form combining plant and cultivated proteins. What might the future of meat look like?  Guests:  Robbie Lockie, CEO, Founder, foodfacts.org Michael Grunwald, Journalist and author, “We Are Eating the Earth” Claire Bomkamp, Senior Lead Scientist, Cultivated Meat & Seafood, Good Food Institute Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 4:30 Robbie Lockie on changing his diet 11:54 Robbie Lockie on who is choosing plant based meat 17:55 Robbie Lockie on how plant based meat competes on taste 20:40 Robbie Lockie on the future of plant based meat 26:54 Michael Grunwald making more food with less land 30:16 Michael Grunwald on the efficiency of industrial agriculture 33:30 Michael Grunwald on rotational grazing 38:00 Ariana Brocious’ cultivated salmon tasting 45:05 Claire Bomkamp on the state of cultivated meat 47:16 Claire Bomkamp on energy use of cultivated meat 52:23 Claire Bomkamp on what cuts cultivated meat can create 56:22 Claire Bomkamp on the price of cultivated meat For show notes and related links, visit ClimateOne.org. Join us for our induction cooking demonstration night on July 21, at 6 p.m. at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco. Come enjoy delicious food and wine, and learn about why cooking with magnets beats cooking with gas. Tickets available at climateone.org/events  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Ariana Brocious.

0:01.8

I'm Kushan Navadar.

0:03.2

And this is Climate 1.

0:06.9

Ariana, was you ever for dinner last night?

0:09.2

Oh, I had a white bean and Swiss-charged stew.

0:14.9

Yum.

0:15.6

That was pretty good.

0:17.0

Yeah, you know, speaking of white beans, I've recently learned of a group that I want to be a member of.

0:23.9

It's top secret. It's called the luguminati.

0:29.1

Like beans, like legumes.

0:31.4

Like legumes. Oh, my God.

0:33.3

Like beans. Yeah. So people who are in this super secret awesome group, uh, apparently like to eat

0:40.1

beans, try to eat beans at least once a day. And I think I could join their ranks, you know?

0:45.7

Oh, me too. I do eat beans once a day. I need to, I'm, they maybe they sent me a membership

0:50.3

card in the mail. That's so funny. It's in the mail. Oh my gosh. That's so funny. So I had

0:56.2

beans last night as well, but I also had chicken. And the reason I asked you is because today's

1:01.6

episode is about meat. And I want to get one thing out of the way right at the top, like the majority

1:07.2

of Americans, I eat meat. Yeah. You know what, Kusha? I do too. Not a lot, but I do.

1:12.7

And so one important thing as we get the show underway, we are not here to judge.

1:17.6

Yeah, and I think that's important because today we're going to talk about meat and its impacts

1:21.5

on the climate and some potential alternatives. And sometimes listening to this kind of

1:26.9

content can feel grading because I think

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