Welcome to Just Between Us, the podcast with all of the answers, some of the time.

A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know. I guess you'd have to ask.

Someone that has sex.

Someone that has sex.

And remember, it's just between us.

Welcome to the History Extra podcast.

Fascinating historical conversations from BBC History Magazine and BBC History Revealed.

Who were some of the most influential popes of the Middle Ages?

What did you have to do to earn the title of anti-Pope? And which Pope was

believed to keep a pet demon? For our latest Everything You Wanted to Know episode, Kev Lachon

spoke to historian Brett Whalen to find out more about the fascinating role of the papacy in the

medieval era. Who in your perspective is the first person for whom the title of Pope is historically documented?

That's a question we've had from Louis Paloo on Instagram.

Sure, it's a great question and it's a little tricky in the sense that there isn't really like one pope that marks the definitive point, right,

where like that person becomes the pope. If you asked a medieval pope, they would have a clear

answer to that question, right? And they would tell you it was St. Peter. And so we shouldn't

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