Welcome to Current Affairs. My name is Davey Robinson. I am the editor-chief of Current Affairs Magazine,

and it is my great privilege to be joined today by Dr. Adam Gaffney, physician, writer, public health researcher, and advocate.

He is assistant professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School. He's a member of the Cambridge Health Justice Lab.

He previously served as president of physicians for a national health program,

and he's the author of the book, To Heal Humankind, the Right to Health in History.

Dr. Adam Gaffney, welcome to Kurt Affairs.

Thank you for having me, Nathan.

See, I added an extra dose of an enthusiasm there because, you know, you and I are old friends.

I wanted to really convey that I actually am pleased to have you on the program.

Sometimes I'm not actually...

I had Chris Rufo on the program.

I gave him an introduction, but, you know, I wasn't feeling it. You

I'm feeling it. Okay. I like it. Listen, people are finally talking about health care again

because someone shot the CEO of an insurance company. It would have been nice if it didn't

take someone shooting the CEO of an insurance company for people to be talking about

healthcare again, but it happened and now we are.

So, let's see.

Some people might be surprised.

Maybe the people who worked in United Healthcare were surprised at the out that when their CEO got shot,

the dominant reaction among a lot of people

was not deep sympathy, but rather, yeah, I couldn't really care less if the head of one of those

companies dies. Insert bad experience with your health insurance company. Tell us a bit about

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