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Welcome to The Spectator podcast. I'm Isabel Hardman. On this week's episode, we'll be debating whether the Me Too and Times Up movements are really full of the sincere feminists that they seem,

examining the latest power dynamic between the different countries involved in the Syrian conflict,

and discussing whether Theresa May can ever really find peace in her party on Europe.

First up, it's the Oscars this weekend, and film stars are preparing their red carpet outfits and their emotional speeches.

But will all those glamorous outfits be black again? asks Jenny McCartney in this week's cover piece,

which is entitled Me, Me, Me Too.

Jenny points out that many of the most ardent feminists in showbiz today actually refused to use the term just a few years ago,

and wonders whether the Me Too movement is really helping those women who need it the most.

Joanna Williams writes often on Coffeehouse about what she sees as the flaws of Me Too,

while film journalist Helen O'Hara has a rather different view.

I've brought the two of them together now to debate whether this really is a feminism that's working.

Helen, do you agree with Jenny's argument in this piece in the magazine

that actually the Me Too and Times Up movements are kind of focused on high-profile women?

I think the focus is on the high-profile women in terms of the coverage that the movements get.

But what I think is notable about the Times Up campaign in particular is that from day one,

from the very first sort of press release announcing this endeavor,

is that they have made every possible effort to include women who are not, you know,

gorgeous, skinny millionaires.

You know, from the very first release, they were talking about office workers and farm workers.

They set up a legal fund, which is now over, I think, $15 million, to help those women bring

cases against, you know, harassment, against abuse, against unfairness.

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