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The Rich Roll Podcast

Me, But Better: Olga Khazan On The Science of Personality Change, Challenging Fixed Mindsets, & The Big Five Traits That Shape Your Life

The Rich Roll Podcast

Rich Roll

Health & Fitness, Education, Self-improvement, Society & Culture

4.812.9K Ratings

🗓️ 25 August 2025

⏱️ 136 minutes

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Summary

Olga Khazan is a staff writer for The Atlantic and author of "Me, But Better." This conversation explores personality mutability and Olga's experiment to transform from anxious introvert to someone freed from her own patterns. We discuss the Big Five traits, her Miami breakdown that sparked everything, and why anxiety isn't actually your superpower. Along the way, we examine the paradox of self-acceptance. This exchange is about agency, transformation, and why we amplify our suffering. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up   Today’s Sponsors: Lincoln Financial: Check out the NEW 4-part series "The Action Plan"👉https://www.lincolnfinancial.com/richroll                                                    On: High-performance shoes & apparel crafted for comfort and style 👉https://www.on.com/richroll              AG1: Get a FREE bottle of D3K2, Welcome Kit, and 5 travel packs with your first order 👉https://www.drinkAG1.com/richroll Birch Living:  Sustainable mattresses with a 100-night risk-free trial. For 20% off site-wide visit BirchLiving.com/richroll. BetterHelp: Get 10% OFF the first month 👉 https://www.betterhelp.com/richroll WHOOP: The all-new WHOOP 5.0 is here! Get your first month FREE👉https://www.join.whoop.com/Roll   Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 https://www.richroll.com/sponsors   Find out more about Voicing Change Media at https://www.voicingchange.media  and follow us@voicingchange

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0:00.0

If there's some challenge in your life or something that you're facing or something unfamiliar,

0:08.9

that you have it in you to face that challenge.

0:11.7

Like you probably have the skills and the traits that are necessary to do that and you just

0:17.0

need to nurture them.

0:18.1

You need to go out and act as if, fake it till you make it and rise to the occasion.

0:23.7

And you can.

0:24.7

Don't let your personality determine the things that you do in life.

0:36.9

Hey people. Today we are going to pontificate on personality, what it is, what's fixed about it, and what's not,

0:46.9

and what we can plausibly do when we decide we're done with some part of ours and desire to do something about it. So, insofar as this is a

0:58.3

show about change, today's question to ask and answer is, is it possible to actually change

1:06.8

your personality? And if so, how and to what extent? Before we do that, I would like to take a moment

1:15.6

of gratitude to thank everyone for their enthusiasm for last week's episode with James Fry. I loved it.

1:22.6

I think it will stand the test of time as one of my all-time faves. But, you know, James is a lot. And for many,

1:30.7

an acquired taste, I imagine. So I can't say I was all that sure how all of you would receive it.

1:37.2

So it's been really great to get so much positive feedback and really heartwarming to hear from

1:43.7

so many of you how it recalled

1:46.6

the kind of conversation that harkens back to the early days of the show, the audio-only days,

1:52.2

when I was like this traveling salesman peddling my podcast wares and knocking on doors to greet

1:58.8

my guests with a suitcase full of gear that I would set up on their kitchen table or in a hotel room or some random conference room by the airport.

2:08.9

And I've got a lot of love and a lot of nostalgia for that time. There was a romance to it, a purity. And it was exciting because it was new. And unlike now, not that many

2:19.9

people were doing it. So if I was lucky enough to catch lightning with a guest like James Fry,

2:25.7

like I did with some of my early episodes with people like John McAvoy and David Gagons,

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