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Because we've passed the point of them hiding it because there comes a point as I said a long long time ago, there will come a point where if you're going to transform society, it has to be transformed.

And at that point, you're not under the radar anymore, you've got to actually be in people's places.

That's where we are now. So instead of hiding it, they're now selling it. This is Monica Perez here with the single most recognizable guest I could possibly have on this show.

He is a prolific author and the most enduring pioneer in the pursuit of the deepest truths about the nature of power on Earth and in the universe.

And we're going to try to get to the bottom of it all in one hour. So strap on your tanks, we're going deep with

the dive master, the great David Ike. Hello David and thank you so much for being

here. Thank you very much, Marika, much appreciate.

Well I am, so people listen to my show, no, I'm all about like the conspiracy at the top of the food

chain on earth and I'm always trying to figure out like is there any

competition at the top are Putin and Biden laughing behind the scenes or is that a real thing and

then they all seem to be going to the same point at the top, but I never really transcend that level of thinking

So I got the trap your latest book and it's really challenging how I even view those questions. The subtitle is what it is, how it works, and how we escape its illusions.

And I'm wondering if you can just in a nutshell give my listeners just what is the trap?

Whoa, it's a long story.

I'll try to do my best. Basically I had this overwhelming feeling in around the

turn of the millennium that this is a simulation.

This is like a very advanced virtual reality

that we are experiencing.

And it's a bit like going through your life with a head cell.

It's a field of information that we are decoding just like a computer

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