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Hi, Ron.

Hi, Bob.

How you doing?

I'm doing well.

Good.

Let me introduce this.

I'm Robert Wright.

This is the right show available on both streaming video and via audio podcast.

You are Ron or Ronald, as your byline would have at Pursar,

you're a professor of management at San Francisco State University and the author of a new

book called Mindfulness, How Mindfulness became the new capitalist spirituality.

You have some criticisms about the way mindfulness is being taught and practiced in

some corners and some criticisms of what you call the mindfulness movement. One thing that's

interesting about your approach to me is that, you know, mindfulness has become this very big

thing and it is subject to a certain number of kind of snide dismissals

by people who aren't really all that familiar with how it's being taught, much less with the

Buddhist context in which it arose and where it stands within the framework of Buddhist ideas.

You don't fall into that category. You actually have been a practitioner

of Buddhist meditation for some time, I gather, and you are conversant in, you know, Buddhist

philosophy and Buddhist texts, even though it's not your academic specialty. Again, you're a

professor of management. You may bring it in. I'm not sure. Do you bring it's not your academic specialty. Again, you're a professor of management.

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