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The Russell Brunson Show

McCall Jones Teaches The Secret ‘Give a Mouse a Cookie’ Offer Framework | #Sales - Ep. 97

The Russell Brunson Show

Russell Brunson

Marketing, Business, Entrepreneurship

4.8982 Ratings

🗓️ 17 December 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Most entrepreneurs fail at the exact moment they should be making the most money. They teach, they inspire, they deliver value, but when it is time to present the offer, everything falls apart. In this episode of The Russell Brunson Show, I share one of the most powerful Funnel Hacking Live presentations we have ever had. McCall Jones takes the beloved children’s book If You Give a Mouse a Cookie and reveals the hidden structure inside it that makes it the perfect framework for building irresistible offers. Once you see how it works, you will never build your offers the same way again. Key Highlights: ◼️Why most entrepreneurs unintentionally sabotage their offers by bundling random products together instead of solving a customer’s sequential problems ◼️The Mouse a Cookie method for creating an offer path that moves someone from their pain to their desired result ◼️How to build an offer even when you cannot personally solve every problem by partnering strategically instead of ignoring what your customers need ◼️The ‘Timeline-ify’ technique for presenting your offer in a way that keeps customers emotionally in motion instead of overwhelmed ◼️The Charisma Hacking framework for communicating pain and authority in the style that matches who you naturally are, so your pitch feels authentic and converts higher McCall’s presentation is a reminder that selling is not about hype or pressure. It is about understanding the real problems someone faces and guiding them from one solved step to the next until they reach their goal.  When you use the Mouse a Cookie method, timeline your offer the right way, and communicate with the charisma style that fits you, your offer becomes the clear path to transformation instead of a collection of items. This is why her students win, and it is why this framework has become one of the most important updates to how I teach offers today! ◼️If you’ve got a product, offer, service… or idea… I’ll show you how to sell it (the RIGHT way) Register for my next event →⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://sellingonline.com/podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ◼️Still don’t have a funnel? ClickFunnels gives you the exact tools (and templates) to launch TODAY → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://clickfunnels.com/podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Why are businesses like HelloVet choosing Apple products and services?

0:04.8

So we started the business two years ago.

0:07.2

We had a few people who were used to PCs and this was their first foray into Macs.

0:12.5

But it's been super smooth getting everyone onto those devices and everyone seems really, really happy.

0:18.0

Find out how Mac can help you run and grow your business at apple.com forward slash

0:23.6

HelloVet.

0:26.1

Do you have a funnel but it's not converting?

0:28.4

The problem 99.9% of the time is that your funnel is good, but you suck at selling.

0:33.4

If you want to learn how to sell so your funnels will actually convert, then get a ticket to

0:37.0

my next selling online event by going to sellingonline.com slash podcast.

0:40.8

That's sellingonline.com slash podcast.

0:45.8

What's up everybody? This is Russell. Welcome back to the show. And I got to tell you a little

0:50.2

secret. I'm going to let you in behind the scenes. So as you know, this podcast has had taken many forms over the years. It started as the Marking Your Car podcast. I'm making Marking Secrets Podcasts. And then became the Russell Brunson show. I haven't liked the Russell Bruns show. I feel like it's kind of annoying to name the show after yourself. So I haven't loved that. And I was like, I want to do something different. And I have it in my heart to start creating content around how we bootstrap click funnels from zero to a million dollars and share some stories and stuff I've never shared before and teach things differently and go deeper. Besides not just, not just, I love marketing and sells more than anything, but also like how do we build this business and this brand and all the other cool things.

1:28.4

And so I am working on a new version of this podcast and I'm going to call bootstrapped stories. Now bootstrapped secrets. No, bootstrapped. I don't know yet. It's going to be amazing, though, but about bootstrapping. And that's coming soon. But when that does happen, I'm probably not going to be doing very many more interviews.

1:44.2

I'm probably not going to be doing very many more interviews.

1:44.5

I'm probably not going to be doing very many more where I show you guys old episodes and things like that. And so I wanted through the rest of this year to just kind of give you guys some really cool access to presentations that you wouldn't have seen unless you'd give me a lot of money. So this is my gift back to you for being faithful podcast listeners. I hope you enjoy the stuff and hope it gets fired up

2:02.4

as we're moving closer and closer to the first episode of Bootstrapped Secrets or whatever I end up calling it. So this episode is going to be fun. This is from a call Joan Jones, one of my favorite people in the world. She spoke in Funnel, and I have a ton of times. But recently we did an event called Selling Online and she came and she taught something and it's called If You Give a Mouse a Cookie. It was based on, if you've read the book, if you give a mouse a cookie, right? It's like if you give a mouse a cookie, then he's going to want to, you know, he's going to want to drink a milk. If you give him a drink of milk, he's going to want to, you know, clean those with the napkin. he's going to notice that you know and gonna notice that, you know, and this whole, like, string of events

2:34.7

that happens because of like,

2:35.9

you gave a mouse a cookie. And she brought up to my attention, like the way you create an offer, the best way to create an offer is by following the same, like if you give a mouse a cookie structure. And it was really fascinating when she showed it to me kind of pointed out. I was like, oh my gosh, that is the key. That is the secret.

2:52.9

And so I had to teach on it at Funn Hocking Live but selling online, a couple different places. But I wanted you to hear her explain this concept how to cookify your offer and make it so that people buy it. It makes more sense when you're making your, when you're actually presenting your offers

3:08.1

and a whole bunch of other cool things.

3:09.3

So that said,

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