This is Mel Street Radio from PRX and I'm your host, Christopher Kimball.

Jose Andres is back. Today, he tells us what he really thinks. For example, if you're at a restaurant that has churros on the dessert menu, please walk out.

Choros in a restaurant is not something traditionally you will see.

That's done in another moment, in another part of the sequence of life.

And Jose says anything invented in France was probably Spanish first.

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Jose Andres takes us to Spain that's coming up later in the show.

But first we're traveling with Trevor Warmadal.

Trevor is a nomadic cheesemaker who apprentices in pastoral communities around the world.

His adventures started in Mongolia, where he spent 11 days in the

valley of the Yaks.

I had the opportunity to go to Mongolia to manage a small cheese plant outside of Ulaan Bater, the capital.

After spending 10 years making cheese commercially in the U.S. for various companies,

which resulted in me becoming increasingly fed up with the lack of natural approaches to cheese making.

I was seeking to learn kind of what cheese could be without that paradigm.

The cheese plant itself, the job, I quickly realized this company was kind of mimicking the practices

I was attempting to move away from, basically making European-style cheeses,

using commercial starter cultures.

And I decided to leave the job and just go travel in the countryside, knowing that there

was this vast amount of cultural knowledge around milk fermentation

and the raising of livestock.

The way it worked out was very serendipitous.

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