Maybe We CAN Be Loved w/o Being Known: Ashley C. Ford

We Can Do Hard Things

Treat Media and Glennon Doyle

Society & Culture, Relationships, Education, Self-improvement

4.8 • 41.1K Ratings

🗓️ 11 December 2025

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Summary

Ashley C. Ford returns to the pod today for a deeply personal, raw, and revelatory conversation about how we can love the world, our people, and ourselves through this trying moment. We explore: - Why we’re no longer certain that “to be loved is to be known”; - Why we resent our people when they don’t understand us—and how to find more love, peace, and acceptance in our relationships; - Abby’s realization that she doesn’t need to “fix” Glennon’s sadness; sometimes partnership looks like staying steady while your person feels it all. For those of us who feel lost, afraid, or alone: Ashley’s wisdom and clarity are exactly what we need. Snuggle in, open your minds and your hearts. We love you. For more of Ashley on We Can Do Hard Things: 52. FORGIVING & FINDING PEACE with ASHLEY C. FORD 53. How to Love Yourself & Let Yourself be Loved with Ashley C. Ford About Ashley: Ashley C. Ford is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, SOMEBODY’S DAUGHTER: A MEMOIR. She is also the former co-host of The HBO companion podcast Lovecraft Country Radio, and of Ben & Jerry’s Into The Mix. Ford lives in Indianapolis, Indiana with her husband, poet and fiction writer, Kelly Stacy, and their chocolate lab Astro Renegade Ford-Stacy.

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0:00.0	Hi, Pod Squad.
0:01.0	Hi.
0:02.0	What do you in the world do you want to tell them about this episode?
0:05.0	So I think what I want to say about the episode you're about to listen to is that, first
0:11.0	of all, it is with Ashley Seaford.
0:14.0	Ashley Seaford is one of our dear friends.
0:17.0	And the reason that I asked her to come on is that actually the three of us,
0:22.2	you, me and Ashley sat on our couch a few months ago and Ashley expressed her experience
0:29.1	of this moment and how she was making it through and thinking through it and feeling through it
0:36.9	and how she was dealing with her relationship with her husband through it and feeling through it and how she was dealing with her
0:38.5	relationship with her husband through it and her rawness and transparency and brilliance
0:43.7	just is what I needed more than anything in that moment. And I left that day with Ashley thinking
0:51.3	we're having this conversation on the pod because I want the pod squad
0:56.0	to experience from Ashley what I got to experience in my home, which was renewal, wisdom,
1:01.8	a new way to look at things, a new way to love the world and my people and myself and how to see
1:06.6	it all. So here it is. Here's the conversation I've been wanting for you all to hear for months.
1:14.0	Ashley is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, Somebody's Daughter, A Memoir,
1:18.9	one of my favorite books. She is also the former co-host of the HBO companion podcast Lovecraft
1:24.8	Country Radio and of Ben and Jerry's Into the Mix. Ashley lives in Indianapolis,
1:30.4	Indiana, with her husband, poet and fiction writer Kelly Stacey, who we love, and their chocolate
1:37.2	lab astro-renegade Ford Stacey. After you listen to this episode, absolutely fall in love
1:44.0	with Ashley and want to hear every single
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