Welcome to the dispatch podcast. I'm your host Sarah Izger joined by Jonah Goldberg and

Rui Tashira, author of the Emerging Democratic Majority and Now AEI Scholar. We're going to talk

about the politics around, well, all of it. Yep, we're going to have to talk about the politics

around the Trump indictment, but also, and this is really why we need Rui today. The politics around

what we saw in the results, both in Wisconsin and Chicago, what it means for the Democratic Party,

the progressive movement, and then we'll see where the conversation goes.

Let's dive right in. Rui, thanks for being here.

No, thanks for having me. All right, so Jonah, as you know, on that

flagship niche legal podcast that we have, we talked about the legal parts of the Trump indictment,

which, you know, David French and I tend to agree is weaker than one would otherwise have thought

if you're going to indict Donald Trump. But that has nothing to do with the politics of this.

And whether inditing Donald Trump is going to rally Republicans, whether inditing Donald Trump,

ensures he's getting the Republican nomination, whether inditing Donald Trump is actually great

for Democrats, because it ensures he'll be the nominee. And that's good for them. Whether

inditing Donald Trump actually will hurt him with independence and women and even some parts of

Republican primary voters who are just sick of the drama. I mean, there's endless theories out

there backed up by increasingly little data. Jonah, where do you fall across that spectrum?

Yes, it's all of them. Look, I think that you know, you and I have, we haven't quite locked horns on

this, but we have, we have, we have scratched that the dirt like we were preparing to lock horns on

this a couple of times. Are you supposed to talk about Jews having horns? I thought that was kind of

no, no. Particularly on Passover. That was probably a poor, poor choice. Yeah, especially, I mean,

you know, that's we're trying to keep that one under wraps, you know, don't let the goyum know.

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