Welcome to the Vergecast, the flagship podcast, of being accessible but not intrusive. We'll get back to that. Johnny Ife, everybody, accessible but not intrusive. This is what we're doing here. I'm your friend David Pierce. Jake Castornax is here. Hi, Jake. Hey, good to be here. Haydenfield is here. Hi, Hayden. Hey, excited. Hayden from some very generic hotel room somewhere in the Bay Area. Is that, is that correct? Exactly. You guys are the first people I'm talking to today. Amazing. About to head to some more AI lab offices. It's an honor for me too. So you, you're out there. There's a bunch of AI stuff going on this week, but the big event of the week was OpenAI's Dev Day.

And we have a lot of news to talk about this week. There's a bunch of AI stuff, but we're going to, I should just level with all of you. We're going to spend most of the show talking about Open AI because it's been a really fascinating and bizarre week for Open AI. We're going to talk about SORA. we have a bunch of stuff to do in the lightning round.

But Hayden, we have you for a little while before you have to get out of here.

So let's let's talk Dev Day. First, just like, what is a dev day like? Jake went to his first Apple event recently. I've been to lots of things, but never an Open AI Dev Day. Like, what's, What is a dev day at Open AI? Great question, because it's kind of a confusing name.

I've been to everyone they've ever done besides the Never an Open AI Dev Day. Like, what is a dev day at Open AI? Great question, because it's kind of a confusing name.

I've been to everyone they've ever done besides the one where they didn't allow press last year.

It's basically an annual event where they announce a bunch of stuff.

It's technically for developers.

They invite 1,500, 2,000 developers to come and listen to all their new announcements, features, tools. So some of it's a

little bit niche. You know, it's things that only developers would want to know so they can build

within the platform. But a lot of it is also pretty consumer-facing. They use it kind of as a

just a catch-all for everything they're going to do that year to build, you know, investor interest, to

get a lot of headlines. So some of it's a little bit niche and hard to understand for the average

person and some of it is just pretty wide. Like they always have a keynote by Sam and then, yeah,

a bunch of like small workshops, things like that that are a little bit more, you know, only focused on developers.

So if the spectrum is like highly produced video on the WWDC side all the way to like, I don't know, Microsoft build where it's just a bunch of like VPs writing code on stage.

Where does Open AI fall on the spectrum?

I feel like it's an exact middle ground because we literally had people writing code on stage as demos.

And then on the other side of the coin, we have, you know, like a live stream keynote by Sam and a very controlled

media room with a Q&A with all the execs. So, yeah, it's definitely a combo and it's a strange

combination of both those vibes for sure. Okay. I just, I have come to appreciate Jake. I don't

know how you feel about this, but like we make fun of the people who just like write code on stage

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