Maybe collusion, probably obstruction [Special Crossover Edition]

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🗓️ 18 April 2019

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Ezra Klein joins Zack, Jenn, and Alex in a crossover episode with Worldly on Robert Mueller’s just-released report. They explain the special counsel's main findings on collusion with Russian election interference and on obstruction of justice and why they aren’t good for Trump. Then they zoom out and talk about what this whole episode reveals about the health of American democracy and how this gives a green light for Russia and other authoritarian powers to intervene in future US elections. Given how important this report is, and how early they got up to cover it, your intrepid hosts were too tired for jokes this week — sorry. The full text of the report, compiled by Alex for your reading pleasure A refresher on who's who in the Trump-Russia universe Here's a look at the collusion section of the report from Zack Here's another take from Zack on Attorney General William Barr's worrying role in all of this Ten examples of potential obstruction in Mueller's report How 11 legal experts evaluate the claims of obstruction Zack and Future Perfect's Dylan Matthews break down the big winners and losers from the report The Big Vox Explainer on the Mueller report If you liked this episode, we think you’ll like Worldly and The Ezra Klein Show. Tap to learn more and subscribe for free to get new episodes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to a very special crossover.
0:17.3	Worldly Weeds show on a pretty big day in American political history.
0:21.7	I'm Mr. Klein and I'm here with Zach Beechham with Jen Williams and with Alex Ward, the host
0:26.2	of Worldly.
0:27.2	How are you all doing?
0:28.2	We're tired?
0:29.2	Yeah, we've been working a lot.
0:30.2	That's the fairytale here.
0:31.2	So, today the Mueller report came out.
0:33.6	We've been waiting for this for literally years at this point and it gives us an opportunity
0:38.5	to do something that has been hard to do for a long time, which is amidst all of the people
0:43.6	spinning their report at us, the leaks, the Trump tweets about no collusion, William Barr,
0:48.6	Attorney General William Barr coming out and saying this was an exoneration.
0:52.5	We now have the opportunity to read all 400 plus pages for ourselves and make a decision,
0:58.1	make a judgment about what actually happened.
1:00.7	And we've been reading this report all day.
1:02.2	We've had a team of people at Fox going through this trying to actually understand it.
1:06.5	And Zach, let me start with you.
1:08.9	What is the big picture of the report?
1:10.8	The big picture of the report is that no collusion, no obstruction, which is Trump's
1:14.8	summary, is not accurate.
1:16.6	It is much more detailed and much more complicated on both of those fronts.
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