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May 23, 2003

On the Media

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🗓️ 5 May 2011

⏱️ 53 minutes

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From WNYKRC in New York, this is NPR's On the Media. I'm Bob Garfield.

0:22.5

And I'm Brooke Gladstone. Ari Fleischer, probably the least-liked White House spokesman since the late Ron Ziegler, announced his resignation this week.

0:31.6

And like Ziegler, who was Nixon's mouthpiece, Fleischer has served a president who famously loathes the press. Also, like Ziegler,

0:40.0

Fleischer is notorious for fabrication, misdirection, and bullying from the podium. Slate columnist

0:46.1

Tim Noah has closely followed Fleischer's tenure, and he joins me now from Washington. Tim,

0:50.5

welcome back to the show. Thank you. First, could you take us through some of Fleischer's signature techniques?

0:56.6

You've made a study of what you call his whoppers.

0:59.3

Do they follow a pattern?

1:00.6

There's one particular kind of Fleischer-Wopper that I find particularly impressive.

1:05.8

That's when you get caught in a lie, and several months later you repeat the lie without the slightest bit of shame.

1:14.0

And that came up when he was at a press conference and was asked why the president was suddenly

1:21.0

in favor of nation building. During the campaign, the president did not express, as you put it,

1:25.8

disdain for nation building. What the president said is the military should be used for the purpose of fighting and winning

1:32.3

wars exactly as we did in Afghanistan.

1:35.8

And then there are other areas of the government that actively are involved, should be

1:39.3

involved, and will be involved in nation building.

1:42.4

He bluffed saying that Bush was only against nation building when it was done by the military.

1:49.5

And that turned out not to be true.

1:51.1

Bush had said in one of the presidential debates that he was against nation building by the

1:55.6

military and by civilian authorities.

1:58.8

Fleischer said this completely deadpan, got called on it, and then several

2:02.6

months later repeated it completely deadpan once again.

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