Hey, I'm Brian Stelter, live in New York, and this is reliable sources, looking at the story behind the story.

This hour, we're talking about a tale of two presidents, the differences in these communication styles.

Plus, now President Trump, insisting we've prevailed.

But how exactly?

The war against COVID-19 is still raging, so we're going to talk about how journalists must balance fantasy and reality.

And later this hour, former Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, a fascinating conversation with him and his battles with the Murdoch mafia.

That's what he calls it, the Murdoch mafia.

Hear from him coming up in a few minutes.

But first, taking a look at the president's rhetoric.

The American press is stronger than any demagogue,

but President Trump's attacks present real challenges.

For as long as I've been alive, for as long as you've been alive,

no leader of the free world has publicly spoken about the press the way Trump does.

It is poison.

Calling news outlets, the enemy of the the people is a verbal form of poison.

And maybe it's just meant to distract us, but it still must be taken seriously.

So if you've heard that before, it's because every word I said, everything I just said is three years old.

I said it in front of this camera in front of a million viewers in February 2017.

That was the very first time Trump called reporters the enemy.

Now the root of the word news is new, but sometimes the biggest news of all

is what hasn't changed, what is still happening. And when it comes

to the president's war on truth, it's true we have to continue to pay attention to

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