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From Wondery, I'm Matt Ford.

And I'm Alice Levine.

And this is British scandal.

So Alice, in some ways, Maxwell has been our most epic story.

Yeah, it kind of spanned the whole of the 20th century, Second World War.

So, Vietrussia, Maggie Thatcher.

Maxwell had a ringside seat in so many of these major world events.

But at the same time, this is also a family story.

Yeah, he had a huge impact on his children, of course, Glein Maxwell, which is another whole terrible scandal all of its own.

Yes, and that's Maxwell the man. But what about Maxwell the boss? What was he like to work for?

Okay, so who have we got?

We have got a Fleet Street legend.

We're talking to Roy Greenslade. He was the editor of the Daily Mirror when Maxwell was the owner.

He also worked for Rupert Murdoch, and he wrote a book about Maxwell, called The Rise and Fall of Robert Maxwell.

That's coming up next.

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