Welcome to the Max Small Institute podcast. I'm Joseph Stewart.

The Savior said, Peace I leave with you. My peace I give unto you. How does the world giveeth, give I unto you?

Let not your heart be troubled. Neither let it be afraid. But over the past year and a half, I have to admit that I have been afraid.

How can we find peace in our societies and be peacemakers as individuals? Patrick

Mason of Utah State University and David Pulitzer of BYU Idaho have written about just these topics

in their new book in the Maxwell Institute's Living Faith series, proclaim peace, the restoration's answer

to an age of conflict. We hope you enjoy this episode, well maybe enjoys the wrong word. We want

you to consider

what they say and its implications for Latter-day Saints in the communities they live in. Could you please

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in who we are able to reach. You can also follow us on Instagram at at BYU Maxwell.

David, Patrick, welcome to the Maxwell Institute podcast.

Thank you for the invitation.

Great to be here.

All right.

So both of you are scholars.

You both are professors.

So how did you come to the field of peace and conflict studies?

That's a great question.

And I came about it in a rather roundabout way.

I received my doctor at the University of Minnesota, learned a lot about conflict, oppression, hegemony. And in the midst of my studies, I wanted to learn more about alternative theories about peace, about altruism, selflessness. And when I began asking my faculty about that,

they didn't know where to point me. So it really wasn't until I started teaching at what was then

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