Hey, wonderful's welcome to part two of my very long and personally I feel very

fascinating conversation with Katie Golden from secretly incredibly

fascinating. Another fantastic maximum fun podcast. You are listening. Again, this is part

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So happy Max Fun Drive and enjoy the rest of this conversation with Katie. I got to get into this Nash game with you but I will but I want to complete this

thought because I have not thought about this you really like stirred up some

interesting thoughts for me about all of that and about that sort of real life fear and

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