Welcome back to the Line Podcast. My name is Aaron Alexander for newcomers to this program and it's a place of bringing together the world's leading experts on all the things health, wellness, movement, psychology, sexuality, consciousness, all the parts that make your humanity function.

And that is exactly what we talk about in today's conversation with New York Times best-selling

author Maximus Lugavere, also known as Max Lugavair. He is a

dear friend and this was a fun conversation that I literally just got done

recording like an hour and a half ago and it's hot off the presses a lot of the conversations in the past have

been sometimes really as much as like six months to even more than that later.

I'm out of podcast episodes because this whole crisis thing I haven't done a lot which is great

it's better to be timely these days because if you like 20-20 days or like 2019 months so you gotta say the right thing at the right time and just time is moving fast.

So I want to start off with a quote in somewhat in relation to the times.

This is from Martin Luther King it says in a real sense all life is interrelated

all men are caught in an in an inescapable network of mutuality tied in a single garment of destiny

whatever affects one directly if tied in a single garment of destiny.

Whatever effects one directly affects all indirectly.

I can never be what I ought to be until you are what you ought to be.

And you can never be what you ought to be until I am what I ought to be. This is the interrelated

structure of reality. Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. So that's cool.

kind of an interesting thing.

I wonder, it's fascinating how in this time of observing,

suffering in the world, when you look at a middle-aged white men, seemingly the luckiest in quotations folks,

they have the by far the highest incidence of suicide,

which we talk about that in this conversation, and it's a fascinating thing to weigh and measure suffering.

It feels to me, based off of what MLK is saying, slash my own intuition, that if we are taking from

...