Max Kenner on Crime, Education, and the Bard Prison Initiative

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🗓️ 29 March 2021

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Max Kenner, founder and executive director of the Bard Prison Initiative--which offers college degrees to prisoners--talks with EconTalk host Russ Roberts about the program, which replicates the coursework of students at Bard College. The Bard Prison Initiative was profiled in a four-part PBS documentary, College Behind Bars. Kenner talks about the origins of the program, what students experience, and the injustice he sees in both the criminal justice system and the educational system in the United States.

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0:00.0	Welcome to Econ Talk, Conversations for the Curious, part of the Library of Economics
0:07.0	and Liberty.
0:08.0	I'm your host, Russ Roberts of Shulem College in Jerusalem and Stanford University's Hoover
0:12.7	Institution.
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0:18.6	other information related to today's conversation.
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0:26.8	Our email address is mail at econtalk.org.
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0:37.8	Today is March 11, 2021 and before introducing today's guest, I want to correct a mistake
0:42.3	I made in last week's episode.
0:44.1	I misquoted horrifying.
0:45.9	A poem by Gerard Manley Hopkins, the poem is, as King Fisher's catch fire, the correct
0:52.4	quote is, what I do is be for that.
0:56.6	I came.
0:57.6	What I do is me for that.
0:59.5	I came.
1:00.5	And now for today's guest, Max Canner, founder and executive director of the Bard Prison
1:05.0	Initiative, which enrolls prisoners in academic programs that culminate in degrees from
1:09.8	Bard College.
1:11.4	The Bard Prison Initiative was profiled in a four-part documentary around PBS in 2019, college
1:17.4	behind bars.
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