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🗓️ 13 October 2023
⏱️ 98 minutes
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0:00.0 | This is the Reason interview. |
0:03.9 | I'm Zach Weissmiller. |
0:05.2 | Thanks for listening. |
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0:12.3 | Go to reason.com to check that out in real time or to our YouTube channel, YouTube.com, |
0:17.9 | forward slash Reason TV. |
0:20.0 | Hamas stunned the world last weekend by launching a brutal |
0:23.9 | terrorist attack on Israeli civilians and posting their crimes on social media. Israel's government |
0:30.6 | has responded with a sustained bombing campaign and total blockade of the Gaza Strip. |
0:36.8 | Why would Hamas provoke what was certain to be a devastating response from the powerful |
0:41.6 | Israeli military? |
0:43.3 | And what is likely to happen next in an Israel-Hamas war that threatens to spill far beyond |
0:49.9 | the region? |
0:50.9 | And what, if anything, should be America's involvement? To explore these questions, |
0:57.0 | reasons Liz Wolfe and I spoke with Max Abrams, a political science professor at Northeastern |
1:02.8 | University and author of Rules for Rebels, the science of victory in militant history. It's a lengthy |
1:09.7 | study of terrorism and insurgency. |
1:12.6 | The first thing smart militants do is recognize that civilian attacks are a recipe for |
1:18.7 | political failure, writes Abrams. You might say that the first rule for rebels is not to use |
1:25.5 | terrorism at all. While he's called Hamas' attack a major strategic |
1:30.4 | mistake for the Palestinian cause, he told reasoned that their objective might not be to secure |
1:36.8 | autonomy for Palestine at all in the near term, but rather an attempt to position itself as a leader |
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