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Great Lives

Maureen Lipman on Dame Cicely Saunders

Great Lives

BBC

Documentary, History, Society & Culture

4.21.3K Ratings

🗓️ 7 September 2016

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Actress and writer Maureen Lipman chooses the end-of-life care campaigner, Dame Cicely Saunders.

Dame Cicely Saunders was known as ‘the woman who changed the face of death’. At almost 6 foot tall, she could be intimidating, tiresome and relentless as she devoted her life to ensuring that terminally ill people could die with dignity and without pain.

Championing the life of Cicely Saunders as her great life is the actress and writer Maureen Lipman.

The expert witness is, Professor David Clark, from the University of Glasgow.

Presenter: Matthew Parris

Producer: Perminder Khatkar.

First broadcast on BBC Radio 4 in September 2016.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Great Lives is a download from Radio 4.

0:02.7

We hope you enjoy what you're about to hear.

0:05.4

Known as the woman who changed the face of death,

0:08.4

this week's great life has had the most profound effect

0:12.0

on how we care for the dying.

0:14.0

At almost six foot tall, she could be intimidating, tiresome, and relentless,

0:19.6

as she devoted her life to ensuring that terminally ill people could die with dignity and without pain.

0:27.2

It sounds obvious now.

0:28.8

It didn't then.

0:30.9

Nominating this great life is the actress and writer Maureen Lippman.

0:35.0

Maureen, who is this woman and why have you chosen her to champion as your great life?

0:41.0

I never heard of her.

0:42.0

Had you not? No. No. Well she's my heroine of the

0:45.5

20th century because she changed the face of medicine which was a good face but it was a

0:51.8

face that was turned away from terminal illness.

0:57.0

Doctors go into the business of medicine to cure, and I think it fulfilled a need in her.

1:06.0

She had enormous empathy and intuition

1:11.0

and because of experiences in her life this is where she felt happy with the dying.

1:17.0

She worked out that what people wanted was a place that was bright, where they could see the garden, where they could live every minute

1:25.8

of their lives till the last minute.

1:28.0

To a lot of this I want to come back, but I was struck by a phrase you have just used you said she found her greatest

1:36.0

happiness with the dying the idea of finding happiness with the dying I struggle with I can see why one would have every kind of care and compassion

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