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no bull and the aftermath.

Hungarians, you know, in the 1950s or the people fleeing, you know, the collapse of South

Vietnam in the 1970s and 80s, they were welcomed a lot more generously because they were

interpreted under the lens of, you know, people fleeing communism.

And today, obviously, there's a whole different set of politics at work.

Today, since 1951, the definition doesn't really apply to Afghans who are just escaping

a country because of the war or because of famine that's happening as a result of the

collapse of the country's government.

And of course, it doesn't apply people to a displaced body.

Climate change or other ecological catastrophes.

But it's really a category, this distinction between real refugees and economic migrants.

It's really a category that the West, you know, imposes on people and that they then

try to have to fit themselves to rather than any existing distinction that's out there

in the world.

One of the things I read about in the book is the way migrants refugees have to navigate

these legal systems.

Umbray's Klem and this is the LawFair podcast Friday, February 25th, 2022.

I sat down with Matthew Aikens, a Canadian journalist and the author of the new book, The

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