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Oh yeah, what is up theology nerds? This is Tripp. And you're listening to Homebrewed Christianity.

Since the year of 2008, we've been bringing you audiological goodness. Mm-hmm. That's right.

Interviews from scholars across the disciplines all helping you wrestle and reflect on life's biggest questions.

And today, returning to the podcast is Matthew Siegel.

That's right.

We were hanging out at a conference, bringing together a whole bunch of process relational thinkers,

reflecting on the nature of power and love.

And he was there to drop some wisdom

around political theology. And I said, hey, hey, Matt, hey, Matt, now that we finally get to

hang out in person, do you want to sneak off in a dark room with microphones? And Matt's like, whoa,

Tripp, that's, that sounds wonderful. And that's what we did. Now, you're going to hear this is going to be fun.

I just want to say up front, this was like early on in our time together.

After that, Matt and I had so much fun hanging out visiting a host of number, a number

you could say, of breweries.

Yeah, that's right.

Like we went to Russian River together.

Mm-hmm.

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