This is Leslie Kane and you're listening to that UFO podcast.

So touching again you mentioned catastrophic disclosure before.

I've just spoken a few nights ago to Danny Sheehan and I brought up catastrophic disclosure to him because he

mentions one of the questions I had asked him previously he brought up being asked to sign

NDA's and he refused to do so. I asked him off the back of you know catastrophic

disclosure what's his understanding of that given he won't sign the NDA's for the people

who are worried about it as to what they would think and

again from his point of view similar to what you mentioned Matt he's talking about you know

the the banking systems would would suffer that our societal fabric as we know would change.

People waking up next morning that would be a huge thing in people's mindsets.

The big tech companies, you know, fuel would be tech companies, aerospace, whatever, there's going to be an impact.

So I wonder, with the revelation that these shadow programs exist, how do you see it maybe one or two

three big ways impacting society the most? Well I think it depends on what

information comes out, right?

Because there's two parts of what you might interpret

as catastrophic disclosure.

One is the impact of the knowledge of whatever the facts

that come out on existing systems and then there's the

potential for the impact of you know nhi on our human systems right and those are

like two different buckets I'd say I'm higher confidence in

sort of speculating about the former rather than the latter because I don't have

like high credence information on exactly the nature of the intent and capabilities

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