From the campus of Hillsdale College in Hillsdale, Michigan, this is the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, bringing the activity and education of the college to listeners across the country.

Here's your host, Scott Bertram.

Hello again, everybody, and welcome in to another edition of The Radio Free Hillsdale Hour.

On this episode, we'll talk with Matt Meehan from Hillsdale in D.C. about patriotism as a virtue.

Tyler O'Neill will discuss his brand new book, Making Hate Pay, about the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Fred Yonaga from Hillsdale's German Department will tell us why students, young students,

should learn a foreign language.

And Brita Stoneman from Hillsdale's Rhetoric and Public Address Department takes us inside an essay

she wrote on George Santiana.

We're joined now by Matt Meyen,, director of academic programs and Worsham

Teaching Fellow at the Kirby Center and Hillsdale in D.C. Matt, thanks for joining us here on

the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour. Thanks for having me, Scott. I want to talk to you about the virtue

of patriotism at issue. I know you've spent some time thinking about recently. Patriotism is not always included in philosophical

or religious lists of virtues. So what in your mind makes patriotism of virtue? So it's actually

a subset of justice giving to each what they're due and doing no harm. But giving what's owed,

there's a number of different sort of people that we're in debt to.

And we in justice have to honor them, thank them, even serve them in whatever way we can when they do us great favors, especially excellent things.

And, you know, we talk about the virtue of religion is recognizing

that God gives us being and government. So thanks. In him we live and move and have our being,

says St. Paul to the Athenians and the Acts of the Apostles, right? And that means we have to, you know,

worship God and thank him. But him but okay that's one type of

and the big type of being in government he governs the entire world with nature's laws and

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