Hello, my friends. Welcome to another episode of Follow Him. My name is Hank Smith. I'm your host,

and I'm here with my servant leader, co-host, John, by the way. John, we were talking about servant

leadership today a little bit in the gospel of John. I thought that's John. You are a servant leader.

Wouldn't you say? Yeah, bring your shoes over. I have my shoe shining kid out. I will do that for you.

Okay. Yes, I will come right over. We have so much to come today, John. I don't know how we're

going to get through it all, but we needed a Bible expert with us. Who's joining us today? We brought

Dr. Camille Frankelson, who's been with us before in Old Testament. She is my favorite tree mountain

person. Tree mountain Utah. When I go there, I drop Camille's name and people are so nice to me.

Does it say it right there when you drive it? Yeah. Aren't they making a monument there that

Camille Frankelson is from tree month. It says John, by the way. Yes, we're delighted to have

Camille with us again, because I know this is going to be a great day. Let me just tell you about

Camille. She served a full-time mission to to loose France before she earned a master's degree in

Ancient Near Eastern Studies and a PhD in the Sociology of the Middle East. She was formerly the

Dean of Students at LDS Business College. They not call that Insign College. She's an associate

professor of ancient scripture at Urshu was at Brigham Community University. She served on the

Young Women's General Board. The church has teacher development curriculum committee. I'm reading

this by off from the back of one of her many books called Women of the Old Testament. That's why I

think we wanted to hear today. Hank, because we're talking about some of the women in the new

testament a little bit in these chapters. At one time, she was my boss too. In fact, I think I'm

not teaching it to me while you salt Lake Center if it's not for Camille. Speaking of servant leadership,

speaking of charity and kindness. We're glad to have you. Welcome back. Thank you. She hired me too,

John. I still remember that phone call. It was a very good day. Camille, we're going to spend our time

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