Welcome to Form Now. I'm Tim Gray, president of the Augustine Institute. And joining me is Dr. Michael

Barber, who is a professor of scripture here at the August Institute. And we're going to

continue our ongoing Bible study on the Gospel of Matthews. Whether you're joining us for the first time,

or you've been with us all, open up a Bible or just join, and we're going to do this little Bible study.

And last time we talked about the difference between tradition as a capital T,

a tradition that goes back to Jesus, therefore is authoritative,

or small T tradition that we have in the Catholic Church.

We have small T traditions that can change.

They don't go back to Jesus,

and they're implemented to bring more piety, to help out in some way,

you know, and they can be changed. And I think one of the things Michael that confuses people

is when they, we talk about traditions because, you know, the Catholic Church respects tradition.

And we love history. We have a 2,000 year history and tradition, which is remarkable.

Nobody, no country, no culture has that kind of longevity and richness in their tradition.

And yet when a small tea tradition gets changed, I think sometimes it's unsettling to people.

They think, well, we're changing our traditions. And then if we can

change our traditions, we can change our church's teaching. And we can. There's a real difference there.

How people understand this idea of small tea tradition and big tea tradition? Right. Well, actually,

that kind of concern has always been with the Catholic Church. So there was a great council, Council of Nicaea,

that stamped out what was known as, or at least aimed at stamping out, what was known then as

Aryanism, or early Christian heresy. And there was a creed that was put together by that council,

the Nicene Creed. And the council explained, and no one

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