So before you started training, what was your actual like baseline stats like you were?

I wish like I'm like 35 right so bear in mind like when I started like when I was doing track and field like I didn't even like I didn't give a shit about getting I wish I'd taken some photos and knew what I was I've got a couple of terrible like selfies and me in a toilet, but I didn't even know how to post it.

Like, that's another thing, right?

Like, just learning, like when I learned how to contract my abs, you look like your fucking 5% leaner, just be skilled.

I didn't even know how to do that.

I used to like, think it, like, when I first started doing it, I'd just be like pushing my stomach out. I didn't know how to take contact to our abs. So I haven't

got much footage or video or you know images from back then but there's pictures of me like

you know at school with my friends and when I'm kind of like you know university 18, 19, 20

like I'm clearly very muscular like compared to the average person right not not by like

YouTube bodybuilder standards but like for the average person people would describe me as being a big guy and a muscular guy like I used to like doing

again as like a teenager and in my early 20s I used to love like wanting to be massive like you know be a big

like muscular guy um I would have been

I think I reckon when I was at university I like I got a job at a gym, I reckon at that point I probably would have been like

Probably like nine probably not that much lighter than I am now like I probably would have been maybe 90 kilograms so like what's that in pounds

Probably close to 200 maybe like one 90s 200 pounds i reckon and that was like

yeah that was just me you know going to the gym pretty pretty semi seriously like wanting to be

big but not actually doing like athletics kind of half-heartedly it wasn't until i started i was

like you know what i want to do this with my career that i need to get, like, just drop a shit ton of muscle mass.

So, yeah, there's been times when I've been bigger and heavier before I then did track and field

and got, again, that obviously, that is, that again is quite misleading because people

would just see me as a skinny triple jumper and think, oh, I've just blown up.

But prior to that, I was also bigger and stronger, I just conditioned my body to be skinny as fuck

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