So what was your main motivation to not take drugs then? Like just you thought your you felt your physique was good enough anyways you had no motivation to really push the envelope

What do you mean track and field? In life like no just like after like once you got into YouTube fitness industry stuff like that like obviously I mean

To be honest I didn't the thought of taking drugs. I wasn't it wasn't like I was sitting down weighing it up I didn't even occur to me I didn't, I didn't. To be honest, like the thought of taking drugs, I wasn't, it wasn't like I was sitting down, weighing it up.

I didn't even occur to me. I didn't think, I wasn't like, oh, should I take drugs?

The thought never really occurred to me. I can build at a high level so you've got to be on drugs like firstly I was nowhere near high enough level to be at the point where people you know people are taking drugs because

I I was well off like Olympic stand even though my brain you'd be surprised bro I think you

be surprised there's people in high school football that take drugs yeah yeah yeah but in the UK like

I don't think it's this in the UK like bear in mind I'm receiving no money like they're

you know my club were paying for my kit and some hotels, but I was literally, you know, working a full-time job trying to fund that track and field.

So I don't know whether I'd be finding money to take drugs, you know, for a start, yeah basically it would have been it wouldn't have

justified doing that right but then when i got into bodybuilding like to be honest like i thought i

looked sick i didn't think you know it wasn't like i think the motivation for most people taking

drugs because they think they look like shit and they want to get bigger like i thought i looked

awesome like i was like yeah i didn't really ever think about it, but if someone

had presented me with the opportunity to do it, I would have said no because I, why? Like, do you know,

I was getting bigger, I was getting stronger. Like, I think in, for me now, like, because

this would be another interesting with the, with the drugs things, like I did with it with the test.

I did like, I don't know how accurate they are, but I did a couple of those at home like blood test.

I did one, another, maybe a year or two later,

like a couple of years ago.

And my testosterone was like,