This is going to be a little bit of a different episode because we're looking back at the whole

deterioration, this whole ongoing saga of the falling apart of the relationship between

the religious leaders in the book of Matthew and Jesus of Nazareth.

We've seen it in chunks, now we're about to go into chapter 23 of Matthew and the relationship

is going to go into complete free fall and it's going to spiral all the way toward the

religious leadership, effectively getting Jesus executed.

So before we get into this really ugly pivot, I thought it would be important to go back

and remember how exactly it is that we got here.

I don't know if you've ever had one of these conversations where you sit down with a friend

at like Chili's or an Applebee's or something like, look, I might have changed the names

to protect the innocent, but I'm just coming off this whole relational saga.

It was crazy.

There's a billion little stories and they said this and they said that and then this happened.

I seem to put the whole thing out in front of somebody, spread it out on the table and just

say it for my own good just to make sense of the thing.

And so here's the whole story and you find a real good listener and they nod and they listen

and they sip their drink and it's really kind of them do endure this whole brutal story

and then it kind of just feels good to get it out there.

Well, I was fortunate enough to come into possession of a secret recording of a conversation

between a Pharisee named Jeff and his buddy Mike, who's a really great listener and apparently

they went out to a tabern somewhere and Jeff just poured out his heart and was like, here's

a whole thing from my side as to what happened between us and Jesus and I found this to be

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