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Hello, welcome to the Clanchon, the Vox Media podcast network.

Our episode today is actually not by me.

It's by my colleague, Madaglaseus, who did a great interview over at the weeds with Jenny Shuts about something that you all email me wanting to talk about and learn about more, housing policy and land policy.

I don't know nearly as much about it as Matt, and basically nobody knows as much about it as Jenny Shuts.

So I thought this was a great one to share with the audience.

If you want more conversations and interviews like this, of course subscribe to the weeds where I'm a co-host.

I've got some interviews planned over there too, so that'll be exciting.

But here, without further ado, are Matt, Glacias, and Jenny Shuts.

I'm Matthew Glacias, and in here today, I'm here with Jenny Shuts, who is a David Rubenstein fellow at the Brookings Institution.

I'm really excited to have a world tour of the world.

I'm Matthew Glacias, and in here today, I'm here with Jenny Shuts, who is a David Rubenstein fellow at the Brookings Institution.

I'm really excited to have a world tour with us.

The number one request I think that I got from listeners out there when I asked what other topics we should try to tackle was you wanted to hear more about housing, want to hear more about land use.

We got the ideal person here to help explain all that to us.

Jenny, let me just start.

Is there a housing crisis in America?

It's like, I think taking for granted by some people, but an idea that's unfamiliar to others.

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