Well, Well sitting here with someone you may have heard of Andrew Clavin this

set is way too nice for an interview with you I think I think it is I'm actually out of my league

so I stepped it up way too much we got about back a little bit so you have a book

that just came out a woman underground is what it's called I wanted to talk to you about

kind of the creative process first of all it goes into writing books because I'm just

fascinated by that and then and then some other things but before we get into that so what

and there's a book right there what tell us about the book other things but before we get into that so what what

and there's a book right there what

tell us about the book first well

well this is the fourth book in the Cameron winter series

and it's kind of the crisis book camera and winter is kind of unsteady mentally is kind of cracking up and he finds that the woman that he

loved his whole life this kind of flame that he's kept and he's lost track of her, he starts to, he finds

her.

He realizes she's still around and he starts looking for her and has he starts looking for it.

He realizes that a killer is looking for at the same time and he has to

see if he can find her before that. It's also takes place in the midst of riots and

extremist politics and kind of an America like this America but a little bit dialed up so it's it's not a political

novel but it's novel that has a lot of politics in it.

So what the so that that book's probably but 280 pages or something?

Yeah it's close to 300. Yeah.

When I, and I've written a few books, none of them were very good, but non-fiction.

And I want to talk about that too, because we're talking all fair a little bit about

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