Welcome back everyone. Hope you're doing well. This is the Epic Gardening podcast. My name is Kevin

Espiritu. I'm joined by Matthew Reese Warren, a gardener and an author. His book is called The

Ecological Gardener, which is out right now. You can grab it in the podcast description. I'll

leave a link for you. Matt, we've actually talked about quite a few things in the world of coming

at the garden from a more ecology-focused point of view. One piece of that, which is massive,

it's a huge piece of it, is the way that you're repurposing the organic matter that's streaming both

out of your home and also out of your garden. I think everyone has their own twist or their own

nuance to composting, so I'm curious how your setup looks. Yeah, I think that's one of the great

success stories of gardening. I think composting because I feel like everyone knows that it's

worth a shot. Maybe because it's just so obvious. The fact that you can turn all of your waste into

the food or amendment for next year is pretty sort of full-heartedly to not do it. So everybody has

a go and I love that. But I do think that there's certain elements in which you can do composting

really well or you can just let it be. When I was growing up, my dad always just used to have a

pile at the end of the garden that he covered with a piece of carpet and just be left there,

really. I think there's nothing particularly wrong with that, if you're going to leave it for a

few years because it takes a long time for the microorganisms to get in there and to digest

everything and if you do it too quickly, if you do that method, then you're just going to have

compost that's going to explode come spring with weeds. So if you try and seed into that,

I mean with your carrots or beetroots, you've got no chance. So it does need to be some sort of

development to it. And I like the analogy of sort of, you know, it's a bit like shuffling,

you know, you really got to be at the pot. And I really become much more dynamic with my composting

over the years and I really move it. I have some systems where it's about keeping it kind of blocked

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