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Hello and welcome back to the Americana Show. My name is Freddie Gray. I am the deputy editor of the

spectator and the US editor. And I'm pleased to tell you that this is the 10th year of the

Americano podcast. And I think it's fair to say it's been a fairly fascinating time in American politics, life and culture.

And that's what we talk about every episode on this podcast. So please keep listening and provide

as much feedback as you like. Today I am delighted to be joined by the writer and biologist, Ridley, who is here with us at the Spectator's offices.

And we're going to be talking about an excellent piece you wrote, Matt, in the Spectators' US edition.

Here's a printout of it. I've yet to get the hard copy. It should be arriving any day.

The headline we put on it was, why doesn't the CDC, that's the Centre for Disease Control, care about Chinese bio-labs in America.

And Matt, this was because of an extraordinary story that you and I both spotted, I think,

about a lab in Las Vegas that was discovered with

a thousand vials of various different diseases. Some mice, I believe, too.

The mice were somewhere else. The mice were somewhere else. And the lab belonged to a gentleman

called Giabizu. I don't know if my... and the lab belonged to a gentleman called Jia B. Zhu.

I don't know if my pronunciation is correct.

But he is already in prison in California because of another suspicious lab.

And he's a Chinese national who appears to be possibly grifting, possibly trying to make

...