Matt Perault, Ramya Krishnan, and Alan Rozenshtein Talk About the TikTok Divestment and Ban Bill

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🗓️ 22 March 2024

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Today, we’re bringing you an episode of Arbiters of Truth, our series on the information ecosystem.

Last week the House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a bill that would require ByteDance, the Chinese company that owns the popular social media app TikTok, to divest its ownership in the platform or face TikTok being banned in the United States. Although prospects for the bill in the Senate remain uncertain, President Biden has said he will sign the bill if it comes to his desk, and this is the most serious attempt yet to ban the controversial social media app.

Today's podcast is the latest in a series of conversations we've had about TikTok. Matt Perault, the Director of the Center on Technology Policy at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, led a conversation with Alan Rozenshtein, Associate Professor of Law at the University of Minnesota and Senior Editor at Lawfare, and Ramya Krishnan, a Senior Staff Attorney at the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University. They talked about the First Amendment implications of a TikTok ban, whether it's a good idea as a policy matter, and how we should think about foreign ownership of platforms more generally.

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1:16.7	you know weaponized by authoritarian regimes around the world who can now point to that when they decide to take steps
1:26.5	to restrict their citizens access to foreign media or ideas and information
1:32.2	from abroad.
1:33.5	I think that that would be a massive loss for free expression.
1:38.7	I'm Alan Rosenstein, Associate Professor of Law at the University of Minnesota and Senior Editor at Lawfair,
1:44.4	and this is the Lawfair Podcast for March 22, 2024.
1:49.2	Today we're bringing you an episode of Arbiters of Truth, our series on the information ecosystem.
1:55.3	Last week the House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a bill that would require
1:58.6	bite dance, the Chinese company that owns the popular social media app, Tik-Toc, to divest its ownership in the platform
2:05.2	or face Tik-Toc being banned in the United States.
2:08.4	Although prospects for the bill in the Senate remain uncertain, President Biden has said that
2:12.2	he will sign the bill if it comes to his desk,
2:14.5	and this is the most serious attempt yet to ban the controversial social media app.
2:19.4	Today's podcast is the latest in a series of conversations we've had about Tik-Toc.
2:23.0	Matt Peralt, the Director of the Center on Technology Policy at the University of
2:27.2	North Carolina at Chapel Hill, was in the hosting chair and led a conversation
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