Welcome to Wheels Off, a show about the messy reality of the creative life.

I'm Rhett Miller.

That's when it got wheels off.

We started up and we ain't going to starve.

Oh, I like you.

I could not.

That's when they got Wheels Off.

Matt Nathanson is my guest on this week's Wheels Off, and he is a hoot.

He's a singer-songwriter.

He's had some hit songs.

He's got a lot of fans.

But it doesn't stop him from speaking his mind.

As you will hear during the course of this conversation, I'll tell you

this right off the bat. He drops some serious F-bombs and he works blue. In fact, we both work

blue. The very end of this episode features us trading a couple of jokes that, man, if you're, if you're already playing this on the speakers in your car with your kids in the car, I'm sort of wondering about your choices as a parent.

But if you get to the end, after he presents us with his advice to his 21-year-old self, we tell each other a couple

of jokes that you're not going to want your kids to hear. I mean, probably not going to want

your kids to hear. If they're 1921, like my kids, sure, you'll want your kids to hear the

jokes. They're pretty good.

But, oh, my God, it's pretty great.

He made me laugh.

But there's also a lot of really great, just very vulnerable, honest, digging deep kind of stuff in this conversation.

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