You know, it can feel overwhelming at times, I think, for men to lead in the ways that we want to lead.

So I want them to know that they're not alone.

It is so good to have Matt Hammett with us today.

Matt is an award-winning recording artist, a songwriter,

a speaker, an author, and my friend. For almost 20 years, Matt has been the lead singer for the band

Sanctus Real. Passion for family is what led him to step away from Sanctus Real in 2016 and spend

more time at home. Matt details this difficult transition in his book,

Lead Me, Finding Courage to Fight for Your Marriage, Children, and Faith. Matt, thanks so much

for coming back on takeaways. Oh, it's so good to be here with you, man. Thanks for asking me.

Well, we're talking about strength of character and leadership., today we want to really dive into

discipleship and fatherhood. And there's no more important realm to disciple people in than

your own family. Family is the DNA building blocks of churches and societies and cultures. And the title

of your book is Lead Me. It's kind of titled after the hit song that you had at Sanctus Real called

Lead Me. What's the heart of the song? And why did it inspire you to write this book?

Yeah, the greatest tension that I always felt being on the road with Sanctus

Real was trying to balance. I don't even know if balance is the word, right? Like,

would navigate that tension between family careers, I'm sorry, family dreams and career dreams.

And so it was just always something that I was feeling very deeply and about seven years into being on the

road. I remember my wife just kind of having a moment where through tears she expressed to me

the heart of what her desire was for me as a leader and a husband and a father. And in that moment, God grabbed my heart

and helped me realize that all the good intentions that I had about being, you know, the kind

of husband and father that I desired to be, that my intentions weren't enough, that it was

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