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media, creative industries, cultural institutions, universities, schools are now in the hands

of a new middle class graduate elite who hold values that are simply very different from

the values that are held by millions of people out there. I pulled them and said, look,

you know, what do you think about this? You know, the S&P are trying to pass it. Everyone

looked at it and said, this is insane. 80% of people said, I oppose this instantly when

you actually explain what it is. I mean, the level of disillusionment out there is palpable.

You see it, right? You see it. The reservoir of disillusionment, the fact that everybody

is sort of just out there saying, none of these people really represent me. None of these

people speak for me, speak for my values, represent my voice. We're talking about a level

of demographic change and churn that the grits have not seen before. And it's going

to be very, very visible, very, very quick.

Hello and welcome to Trigononra Trigon. I'm Frances Foster. I'm Constantin Kitchen.

And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

A brilliant guest today returns to the show for the 700th time. He's a political scientist

and one of our favorites. He's got a new book out, which is this book here, Values Voice

and Virtue. Matthew, good and welcome to Trigononra Trigon. Thank you for having me.

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