Welcome to the conversationsations that Matter Podcast. I'm your host John Harris.

Matt Chandler is in the news and we've talked about Matt Chandler before because he was, I say that past tense I know he still somewhat is but he was in the

past more I would say influential as an evangelical pasture part of what Phil Johnson called Big Eva now I think it's called

Regime Evangelicals or Regime Evangelicals on X but he was part of that industry and he was very big on pushing social justice type ideas.

That's why I've talked about him and written about some of his teachings in my book, Christianity and social Justice, but some things have changed.

And I saw an interview with him.

There's clips of it that are being passed around online of him and Lecrai talking about a number of topics but among them the political things come up and

right and left and whether Christians fit into these categories or where Christians fit in and of course

Matt Chandler articulates a third way type of transcending political categories to be this Christian

community that at the end of the day

though still is going to promote somewhat of a social justice flavor and he

doesn't go though hard woke in that particular episode it It's hinted at there little things are

hinted at but the overall what I saw with Matt Chandler is he still has the

same theology he still has I think the same incorrect soteriology which I want to focus

on that a bunch because a lot of the clips going around online are focusing on the

politics but they're missing I think the big big thing which is Matt Chandler

so terraology which is how he marketed and how TGC and Tim Keller and all these

groups marketed their their leftist ideas they package them in this gospel wrapping paper. So I want to

talk about that because he still has that and I think that's the big thing people

are not focusing on which I think we should focus on more because I'll explain why I'll explain why when we get there but the other thing is that

Matt Chandler just looks beaten down he sounds beaten down. He sounds beaten down. That, the fresh optimism that the

aggression or even if you don't want to use that word, there was a energy behind him

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