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In Our Time: Science

Mathematics and Platonism

In Our Time: Science

BBC

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4.51.4K Ratings

🗓️ 11 January 2001

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Melvyn Bragg looks at the deep claims made for mathematics, the discipline some believe to be the soul and true key to the understanding of all life, from the petals on the sunflower to the pulse in our wrists. The notion that mathematics is akin to theology might take some taking in at first. But from the first, in the West, they were. To Pythagoras, numbers were mystical and “prove” God. To Plato, who, it is claimed, has driven mathematics for over two thousand years, the ideals beyond the reality of our lives are to be found in mathematical perfections, immutable truth, God again in numbers. Are mathematics there in the universe, waiting to be discovered as the great ocean lying before Newton - or are they constructs applied by us to the universe and imposed rather than uncovered? It’s a long way from chalky sums on the blackboard and the first careless swing of the compass. Galilei Galileo wrote, “The Universe cannot be read until we have learnt the language and become familiar with the characters in which it was written. It is written in mathematical language, and the letters are triangles, circles and other geometrical figures, without which means it is humanly impossible to comprehend a single word”. But is he right that mathematics is the script in which the universe was written, or is it really just one of many possible systems that humankind has invented to interpret our world? Is mathematics is a process of invention or a voyage of discovery?With Ian Stewart, Professor of Mathematics and Gresham Professor of Geometry, University of Warwick; Margaret Wertheim, science writer, journalist and author of Pythagoras’ Trousers; John D Barrow, Professor of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics, University of Cambridge.

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0:00.0

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0:09.0

I hope you enjoy the program.

0:11.0

Hello, Galileo wrote, The universe cannot be read until we've learned the language and become

0:18.0

familiar with the characters in which it was written.

0:20.8

It's written, he wrote, in mathematical language, and the letters are triangles, circles,

0:26.2

and other geometrical figures without which means it's humanly impossible to comprehend

0:30.6

a single word. But is he right that mathematics is the script in which the universe

0:35.4

was written, or is it really just one of many possible systems that humankind is

0:39.6

invented to interpret our world? With me to discuss whether mathematics is a process of invention or a voyage of discovery,

0:46.0

is Ian Stewart, Professor of Mathematics and Gresham Professor of Geometric

0:49.0

of Geometric at the University of Warwick,

0:51.0

author of many books, including Nature's Numbers.

0:54.0

Also with us is a science writer and journalist Margaret Wertheim, author of Pythagoras'

0:58.1

trousers, and John D. Barrow, professor of Applied Mathematics and

1:01.4

The The The University of Cambridge, and the author of

1:04.8

The Universe that Discovered itself.

1:06.9

Ian Stewart, if people remember anything from maths at school,

1:10.1

it's Pythagoras' theorem.

1:12.0

And Pythagoras in 6th century BC is credited with being the

1:15.0

leading force in the origins of mathematics in the West.

1:18.9

What was his philosophy of mathematics and what would you say he is supposed to have given to it?

1:24.8

The interesting about Pythagoras is his names come down to us but it's really the cult

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